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The right does not have a monopoly on hateful, violent people/rhetoric. The idea that they do is a soothing story people on the left like to tell themselves. I don’t defend those t…

> Untrue because 'very often' should instead be stated as 'sometimes'? No, because he WAS reaching across an intellectual divide. Would be curious to your reply to hnewsenjoyer's c…

It seems like no one can disagree with you in good faith. This is a convenient scapegoat for you to ignore strong counterarguments, since all it takes to dismiss the speaker is the…

There are many examples of exchanges of ideas. You can hide from them if you want, but they are numerous, well documented, and widely available. Regardless of how offensive you may…

> imagined a version They were your words, not mine. Run from them if you want. He was obviously involved in many real debates, and it shouldn't be hard for you to acknowledge that…

Fair enough, I retract the second part. It was out of line. I'll modify it to: No surprise you object to someone of opposing views going onto campuses for exchanges of ideas.

> This entire time you’ve been arguing about something I said that you couldn’t even read? Like every point you’ve made was based off of what you thought I said? Where did I obliga…

I cannot quote it -- it appears to be flagged so I cannot view it. Quote it in reply and I will respond. Quoting you and responding to you is not a cheap gotcha. You need to take r…

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You seem to have a problem with debate in general. No surprise that you're on the shooter's side here.

So now you want to pretend that "constructive conversation" doesn't refer to Kirk's debates, but rather our exchange? When you have to change the terms of the discussion, it's beca…

"Charlie Kirk was never involved in real debate." So are we in agreement that you were wrong? If you had said "Paul never played the drums" then the example of the song is pretty r…

I shared a video of a legitimate discussion with you. There are many others like it. You obviously only care about defending your tribe and its positions. Goodbye.

You are being obviously disingenuous considering I provided you with a specific debate in another comment where he was respectful and constructive and you proceeded to blithely ign…

Very nice "no true scotsman" fallacy. The summarized exchange between you and me: Y: "He was never involved in real debate" M: "Here's a real debate" Y: "ah, well, nevertheless"

The fact that you stuff words in my mouth is actually more revealing than anything at all. I cited a video that supported my argument. You then make a complete straw man.

If you've seen this and you don't understand why people think he modeled constructive conversation, I think that says a lot more about you

Why in the world would he be protected by guards I wonder? Save me the hand wringing about the "power imbalance" and focus on the substance of the conversation. The comment I was r…

Thank you for posting this. I accidentally saw the video and found it extraordinarily disturbing. Appreciate the advice, seriously.

For those unfamiliar, "Arguments as Soldiers" is a great way to think about this dynamic. https://www.lesswrong.com/w/arguments-as-soldiers

This is a link to a full 12 minute video. You can't watch it and claim that he's not interested in having a constructive discussion. I don't doubt he lost debates. I don't doubt th…

This is untrue. There are many cases of his debate where he acknowledged strong points made by his counterpart and commended them on the quality of their argument. You may have see…

It's unlikely that you're actually familiar with his work. There are many examples of videos like the one below, and if you'd seen any of them, you would absolutely understand why …

He's not, actually. You may have seen some of the many "own the libs" style edits of him out there, some of which he/his team created and promoted. There are many examples like the…

> Charlie Kirk was never involved in real debate. This is untrue. You may have seen some of the many "own the libs" style edits of him out there, some of which he/his team created …